Disc Specs
- Region:
1 - Released:
31 January 2006 - Country:
United States of America - Running Time:
327 minutes - Screen Format:
2.35:1 Anamorphic NTSC - Discs / Sides / Layers:
1 / 2 / Dual - Soundtracks:
French DD2.0 Surround
English DD5.1 - Subtitles:
English
French
Spanish - Special Features:
Deleted Scenes
Designing Dune
Special Effects
Models & Miniatures
Wardrobe Design
Photograph Gallery
Production Notes - Distributor:
Universal
Film Specs
- Certificate:
PG-13 - Released:
1984 - Country:
United States of America - Director:
David Lynch
Alan Smithee - Starring:
Kyle MacLachlan
Francesca Annis
Leo Cimino
Brad Dourif
José Ferrer
Linda Hunt
Freddie Jones
Richard Jordan
Virginia Madsen
Silvana Mangano
Everett McGill
Kenneth McMillan
Jack Nance
Jürgen Prochnow
Paul L. Smith
Patrick Stewart
Sting
Dean Stockwell
Max von Sydow
Alicia Witt
Sean Young - Genre(s):
Action
Cult
Epic
Science Fiction

Dune (Extended Edition)
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What's most often said in relation to Dune is that David Lynch passed up the chance to direct Return Of The Jedi in favour of collaborating with Dino De Laurentiis on this adaptation of Frank Herbert's Hugo-award winning novel. What appears to be implied in this statement, accepting that Dune is one of Hollywood's most notable financial failures, is that Lynch was remarkably foolish - his turning down a chance to direct a blockbuster for Lucasfilm surely closed the door that would have led to greater financial success and not to Blue Velvet, Wild At Heart, Twin Peaks and Mulholland Dr. - but it's one of Hollywood's great what-ifs. Would Lynch have steered away from the stories of Frank, Sailor and Lula and Laura Palmer once he'd enjoyed the rattle of a box office take somewhere north of $500m? Would the Star Wars films and Lucasfilm have survived a dose of Lynch's skewed vision or, indeed, would either Lucas or Lynch have enjoyed the experience?
But, of course, there's no way of knowing - both Lucas and Lynch steered away from one another, one to the safety of Richard Marquand whilst the other was greeted by the maverick producer Dino De Laurentiis who trusted Lynch to deliver where Alejandro Jodorowsky, in 1975, had not. The association of Jodorowsky and Dune is, in itself, another great what-if. Jodorowsky was then famous for such cryptic masterpieces as El Topo and Holy Mountain and whilst the talk was of a ten-hour production featuring a soundtrack from Pink Floyd and contributions from Salvador Dali, the production was abandoned before shooting got underway, not being revived until the success of Star Wars ushered science-fiction in, once again, as the public's genre of choice.

Star Wars and Dune could scarcely be more different, though, despite George Lucas taking his riotously entertaining Episode IV into the epic story of the fall of Anakin Skywalker and his later redemption. Star Wars, although it concerns the Jedi, the Sith, the fall of the Republic, the rise of the Empire and the power of the Skywalkers to bring balance to the universe, it is as nothing when compared to Frank Herbert's tale of the Imperial House Corrino and of Houses of Atreides and Harkonnen. The prologue to Dune explains this somewhat, with Princess Irulan (Virginia Madsen) offering us a back story that only hints at the complexities of a known universe that depends on the spice melange. Widely used to extend the life of those who partake of it, melange is also vital to the functioning of the Spacing Guild, which, by their monopoly on space travel, effectively control the universe. It is also used by the Bene Gesserit Sisterhood to give them the powers of foresight and of telepathy and they had longed planned to unite the Houses of Atreides and Harkonnen by marrying a daughter of Atreides and a son of Harkonnen. They were, however, were prevented in this by Lady Jessica Atreides, herself a member of the Bene Gesserit Sisterhood, bearing a son to her husband, Duke Leto Atreides (Jürgen Prochnow), who they name Paul Atreides (Kyle MacLachlan). The concern over this spice is that it is found on only one planet, Arrakis, also known as Dune.
As the prologue ends, Dune cuts to the throne room of Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV (José Ferrer), who is receiving a Third Stage Navigator from the Spacing Guild - a creature who was once human but who has been mutated through 4,000 years of spice use - who is concerned at the rumours circulating throughout the planets at news of the House of Atreides being granted stewardship of Arrakis by the Imperial House Corrino. As explained by the Emperor, though, this is but a plan to rid the universe of the House of Atreides, whose ruler, Duke Leto Atreides, the emperor has come to see as a threat. Atreides will indeed be granted stewardship of Arrakis but will be destroyed in a sneak attack by the House of Harkonnen, which is under the command of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen (Kenneth McMillan) and his nephews The Beast Rabban (Paul L. Smith) and Feyd-Rautha (Sting).
At first, everything goes according to the Emperor's plan - the House of Atreides do indeed take over Arrakis and Dr. Kynes (Max von Sydow), who has lived on Arrakis under the rule of those who have sought to control spice production for many years, is impressed by Duke Leto Atreides' stewardship of the planet. On a flight out to the desert to see a melange harvester in operation, they see it attacked by a worm and the duke puts his own life in danger to save the men working on board the harvester. As Dr. Kynes explains, these worms, the only native creature on Arrakis, are also its greatest threat, being drawn to attack by the rhythms of the harvesters.
But as well-intentioned as the rule of the House of Atreides is, they are betrayed from within by a Harkonnen spy who has sabotaged the shields on the planet's administrative and martial installations. As the Harkonnen's forces take over Arrakis - actually being Imperial Sardaukar troops disguised as Harkonnen - they wipe out any Atreides warriors that remain. Leaving the city of Arrakeen behind, Paul Atreides is forced out into the desert along with his mother where, after escaping from an attack by a worm, they take shelter with the Fremen, a native band of warriors who live in the desert, worship the sand worms and have long waited the arrival of the Muad'Dib, a prophet who would lead an uprising against those who seek to oppress the Fremen, which now includes all those who control the universe - the Harkonnen, the Imperial House Corrino and the Spacing Guild, who insist that, above all else, "the spice must flow!"

Some, if not all, of the above may be very confusing indeed. Not even a viewing of the film will help given that the Theatrical Version of the film comes with a rather substantial prologue whilst the Extended Edition comes with an even lengthier introduction, neither of which make a great deal of sense. Both, for example, make reference to the Navigators of the Spacing Guild but it's necessary to watch the film to not only identify one but to understand what the film means by folding space. Indeed, the prologue that opens the Extended Edition tends to make the film that follows it even more confusing with it mentioning the Mentats and the use of robots that led to the Butlerian Jihad, neither of which are mentioned from that point on. Even when the prologues end - some eight minutes after the Extended Edition of the film opens - and the delegation from the Spacing Guild arrive to speak of their concerns to the Emperor, there isn't much that makes a great deal of sense on a single viewing. There are multiple voiceovers, for example, certain characters have telepathic powers whilst some do not, there are flashbacks and premonitions whilst even the most lateral of thinkers will be troubled by the various leaps between the Houses, Guilds and planets that exist within the Dune universe. So confusing is this that we look for meaning and for importance when none exists, such as with the mention of Ix by the Third Stage Navigator of the Spacing Guild when, in fact, it has little relevance to the film.
But none of this is to say that it's a particularly bad film. Indeed, I actually like it a great deal, finding that it's a good companion piece to two other wonderfully ambitious science-fiction films - Solaris (Tarkovsky's original, not the Soderbergh remake, who doesn't appear to have the heart for the story) and Star Trek: The Motion Picture. What these three films share is a future where space travel is not the preserve of smugglers or maverick pilots but of great starships, even greater beaurocracies and of a belief that world governments or Spacing Guilds will be all that is capable of sustaining trading lanes and military accomplishments in space. Neither film suggests than a willing everyman will find a place amongst the stars, more that it will be permitted to the very few and that those few will carry out the most remarkable of acts. What, in summary, they share is a sense of space travel being majestic, as wonderful as the flight from Earth to Solaris, as remarkable and as beautiful as Spock's solo excursion into the cloud that surrounds V'ger and as otherworldly as the voyage of the House of Atreides to Arrakis. Where a blockbuster such as Star Wars treats the jump to Hyperspace as an everyday occurrence, which, granted, it may well be, Dune gives it a kind of reverence with a Third Stage Navigator folding space between Caladan and Arrakis. Even when Paul Atreides arrives on Arrakis and gets to see his first worm, the film understands that to see an alien creature such as this ought to be one that stuns the viewer and so it is, with the worm rising majestically from the sand to swallow whole a spice harvester. It may be done by using miniatures but it looks so convincing that it's a standout moment in a film that typically looks great throughout.

And yet there are problems with it. In face, I would say - and I apologise to fans of Dune for mention of this film - that the film that it bears closest comparison to is Battlefield Earth. I've read as much L Ron Hubbard as I've read Frank Herbert - none, in other words - but both film adaptations were somewhat mystifying as to why there's such a strength of cult around them, whilst both were comparatively successful with critics and audiences alike. In the case of Battlefield Earth, this is a literal cult being that of Scientology but I cannot be the only viewer of that film left baffled by the association between a religion that has snared half of Hollywood and the sight of a be-dreadlocked John Travolta wearing platform boots. Battlefield Earth wouldn't inspire this viewer to change channels on a remote control never mind join the cult of Scientology and I had a similar feeling whilst watching Dune, that had this film arrived before the novels then there might not have been such widespread devotion to the comings and goings on Arrakis. At times, this film is so impenetrable on a first viewing that one has not the faintest idea what is happening and the confusing prologues help little. Really, Dune requires at least a second watch, better a third or fourth with which to understand it all but even then, you may come away from it utterly lost amongst mentions of the Weirding Way, Harkonnens, Atreides, the various voiceovers and how Paul is both Muad'dib and the Kwisatz Haderach.
Though, as I've suggested throughout, I'm not impartial to a piece of impenetrable filmmaking and would say that Dune works well as a film, often in the same way as did Blade Runner. We tend to forget that Blade Runner, the original cut at least, confused the viewer with the number of replicants that were said to be on Earth, of mentions of off-world colonies that remained unseen and of a detective who did not detecting. Although the Director's Cut did go some distance to rectifying this, it brought with it some confusion of its own. Blade Runner did, though, look terrific and works very well as a piece of visual cinema with which to impress the viewer. I would say much the same of Dune - it is really not the most coherent of stories as adapted here but it looks wonderful and excepting the occasionally piece of less-than-special effects - the fighting hardware used by Paul Atreides is actually less convincing than had they simply dangled a shop dummy by the neck from his ceiling - it remains a remarkable vision of the Dune universe from one of cinema's greatest visual artists.
Finally, what of the Extended Edition. If you're one of those coming to his review with the free DVD as included with a January issue of The Observer, you have the Theatrical Cut, which runs to 137-minutes and which is included here on one side of the DVD-18. The Extended Edition is a 177-minute edit of the Alan Smithee version of the film, which ran close to 190-minutes and what they share is the alternative prologue and the same haphazard approach to the structuring of the film. There's rarely the impression of entirely new scenes being added, more that scenes from the Theatrical Version go on that little bit longer and over the length of the entire film, some forty minutes has been added. The prologue in the Extended Edition is a great deal longer than that of the Theatrical Version and there's some duplication of footage. The tram, or at least what looks like a tram, that carries Piter De Vries (Brad Dourif) to a meeting with Baron Harkonnen arrives twice in the film, once he gets out whilst, in the other, he doesn't. There is, therefore, a certain sloppiness to the Extended Edition that isn't in Lynch's cut of the film and why I tend to prefer the shorter cut over the other. For all the extra length, there is not that much more logic to the Extended Edition than there is to the Theatrical Version as the feeling remains that Alejandro Jodorowsky may have been right all along and that ten hours or so may have been necessary to properly tell the story of Dune.
In 1984, though, a ten-hour science-fiction film would not have been the kind of thought that would have been entertained by any film production company, least not one that wanted to remain around to see 1985. Post-Lord Of The Rings, where an audience is prepared to wait for three years to see the completion of a fantasy film that, in its theatrical versions, is over nine hours in length, Dune may well be revisited but I sense that the smell of failure is still strong about it even more than twenty years on. This Extended Edition does nothing to rehabilitate Dune, being no more coherent than the rather unloved original cut of the film but for that, it's still a remarkable piece of science-fiction and a glorious vision of the Dune universe.
Transfer
You only have to look at occasional showings of Dune on television to see what this could have looked like - washed out colours, heavy print damage and a jittery image that refuses to remain still - but although there is clearly a considerable amount of remastering, there are also some obvious spots and stray lines in the picture. There's never enough to distract from one's enjoyment of the film as, otherwise, it's good with the colours looking right, the picture sharp but not too sharp and good levels of brightness and contrast. There isn't much to compare between the Theatrical Version and the Extended Edition as these screenshots prove:

Theatrical Version

Extended Edition

Theatrical Version

Extended Edition
Unfortunately, there does appear to be a problem with the DVD-18 that was used for this release with it giving me problems on a pair of standalone Pioneer players (an 868 and a 636) as well as on a PC with an NEC DVD drive and PowerDVD XP. All the problems seem to occur soon after Paul Atreides was driven into the desert, around about the layer change but which continued well into the second half of the film. I have, however, read forums comments from people who have had no problems but you may wish to tread carefully on this one.
The Dolby Digital 5.1 audio tracks are good on both but better on the Theatrical Version with it making much more prominent use of all six channels as opposed to the occasional burst of noise from the rears as used on the Extended Edition. In either case, the audio tracks sound good with a good response to the score by Toto - yes, indeed...I too find it hard to believe that I'm writing those words - and with the dialogue presented well within the mix.
Extras
Of course, the main disappointment about Dune is that David Lynch no longer talks about it, saying that he has blocked that time from his mind. There is, therefore, no commentary and no contributions from him at all other than archive shots of him during principal photography. What we have, then, amounts to the following:
Deleted Scenes (17m18s): Introduced by Rafaella De Laurentiis, who begins by talking of the rumoured 4hr20m cut of Dune before saying that it was not one that Lynch was prepared to release, this goes on to present a selection of scenes that were cut from the Theatrical Release and which remain excised from the Extended Edition. None of them add a great deal to the story, being more the kind of material that would have increased the length of the film a great deal without actually making any more sense of it. There is, for example, another few minutes of Virginia Madsen's prologue in here as well as much more of the experiences of the Fremen and of Paul Atreides after he drank the water of life but neither these nor any of the others would have worked particularly well had they been cut back into the main film other than the death of Thufir Hawat (Freddie Jones).
Designing Dune (8m54s): There's no mention of Production Designer Anthony Masters still being alive or not but his son, Giles Masters, is the major contributor here, talking about how his father worked closely with Lynch to develop a design for the film that was not only functional but which reflected the different histories of each of the four planets - Arrakis, Caladan, Giedi Prime and Kaitain. There's a little bit of archive footage but, otherwise, it's all up to date with interviews from those who worked on the project.
Special Effects (6m01s): Kit West, Trevor Wood, Rodney Fuller, Gary Zink and John Baker, all of whom had some involvement with the special effects in the film, are interviewed for this feature discussing the various effects from producing black smoke (burning tyres) to the rather wobbly fighting robot used by Paul Atreides in his training.
Models And Miniatures (7m02s): When Golda Offenheim, a dear old woman who bears a little resemblance to Margaret Thatcher but who was the Production Coordinator on Dune asks, "We're not going to discuss worms, are we?", you know that she's going to be disappointed. Amongst many great uses of miniatures in the film, the worms are amongst the best and never better than when they're first sighted attacking the spice harvester.
Wardrobe Design (4m50s): Costume Designers Bob Ringwood and Debbie Phipps are interviewed here and they're both very good, praising their work but at the same time bemoaning how various garments never made it into the finished film. The best moment is their story of finding the costumes for the Spacing Guild from a collection of body bags found during the knocking down of an old Fire Department building.
Finally, there's 100 still images in a Production Gallery, being behind-the-scenes shots and production designs, as well as Production Notes, which are several pages of text that never get to the detail in what was, by any standard, a long production. There are no special features on the Extended Edition side of the disc.
Overall
I can't help but think that Colin had a release like this in mind when he wrote his recent blog on extended editions. Here's a film that the director agreed a cut on but which, through rumours of a longer cut, makes it to DVD with a less-impressive re-edit by the now-retired Alan Smithee. I can see how this Extended Edition might well be an unloved thing - it's a ramshackle edit of a film that was briskly paced to begin with and with the hand of Rafaella De Laurentiis rather than that of David Lynch. And yet, it's Dune and is likely to be greeted warmly by those with a particular bent towards Herbert's work. Anyone else, though, might want to take care - it's a superb piece of visual art but the story is something that you'll have to work at but then, is that an uncommon thing to say about a David Lynch film? Dune may be a more typical Lynch film than the director may care to admit.


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But on the film, I've yet to see the extended cut, but I am a fan of the books and the Lynch movie. Lynch captures the essence of the book very well, and the visuals superbly. And like all Lynch films, I find something greatly disturbing about them. The behaviour of Harkonnen and Rabban, especially the heartplug sequence. That unnerves me no matter how many times I see it.
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"The name "Judas Booth" that appears as the screenwriter in the extended TV cut, is a combination of Judas, the apostle that betrayed Jesus Christ, and 'John Wilkes Booth' , Abraham Lincoln's killer. With this in-joke, David Lynch meant that the studio betrayed him and killed the film. The director's credit is the usual in these cases Alan Smithee."
"'Alan Smithee' is a common pseudonym for directors whose film was clearly taken away from her/him and recut heavily against her/his wishes in ways that completely altered the film.
The Directors Guild contract generally does not permit a director to remove her/his name from films. The Directors Guild has been striving for decades to establish the director as the "author" of a film, and part of getting the credit for the successes is taking the blame for the failures. The only exceptions they make are cases in which a film was clearly taken away from a director and recut heavily against her/his wishes in ways that completely altered the film. Directors are required to appeal to the Guild in such cases. If the appeal is successful, their name is replaced by Alan Smithee. That is the only permissible pseudonym for a director. So if you notice a film directed by Alan Smithee, it is certain it is not what its director intended, and likely that it is not any good."
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Also concerning Return of the Jedi. As Marquand found out Lynch, Roddam, etc. all turned it down because they knew they would get no autonomy, no final cut or any real editorial control. They were only being hired to do the shooting because Lucas had such a rough time on the first one.
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For those who are only interested in the Theatrical Cut should opt for the UK R2 2 Disc SE as I hear it's in better shape than the version on this DVD.
I've also read from other reviews the extra scenes don't quite match up picture wise with the theatrical scenes on the Extended Cut. I guess it's very marginal is at looks like Eamonn didn't notice it.
As this is the "only" DVD to contain the TV cut in 2.35:1 Anamorphic I'll definitely be picking it up. I want both cuts.
The Extended Edition is a 177-minute edit of the Alan Smithee version of the film, which ran close to 190-minutes
Sorry what does this man?
is that an uncommon thing to say about a David Lynch film? Dune may be a more typical Lynch film than the director may care to admit.
I've not yet seen Dune (I've been planning to for sometime) but exactly it's a David Lynch film, what do people expect?
Bar The Straight Story all his films are confusing and the better for it.
When it goes down in price a bit I'll buy it.
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All in all, they're a bit po-faced for my liking - although to be fair, this is a failing that can be traced back to the books.
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I have the R2 2 disc special edition and as the main extra on that one is the retrospective documentary (which was very good) I though this one makes quite a nice companion peice to it.
Certainly the extended TV edition is far more presentable in widescreen with 5.1 sound as opposed to the old R2 TV Edition in full screen.
Incidentally it comes in a lovely tine case similar to the Silver Anniversary Edition of Flash Gordon. It certainly adds to it.
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...good companion piece to two other wonderfully ambitious science-fiction films - Solaris (Tarkovsky's original, not the Soderbergh remake, who doesn't appear to have the heart for the story)
Off-topic but since both the Solaris movies are adaptations of the novel by Stanislav Tem, I don't see how one is called original and the other a remake. I loved both of them. My personal feeling was that the Soderbergh film was more pared down to the bare elements and emotionally alive than the Tarkovski film.
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http://www.mindspring.com/~dunestuff/av.html
I'm not sure what I make of this film. I think it is great in some ways and dire in others, yet, it is strangely addictive and watchable.
I too have PIONEER players and Universals "DUNE" DVD 18 release is also causing me problems. Maybe, someone here can contact Universal and let them know that their DVD 18's "suck spice!"
Out of all the versions on DVD. I'd agree with the link above... the French Ultimate Edition is far superior in picture compared to the UK Region 2 AND the new Region 1 Extended disc.
I really recommend the French disc. It looks great!
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Ravenus - it's Stanislaw Lem, not Tem. I agree with you about the two versions of Solaris though.
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Solaris - I've never considered for one moment that Soderbergh's was a new adaptation of Stanislaw Lem's book, more that it was him showing that he had a sufficient amount of flair and filmmaking nous to take on a set sci-fi text such as Tarkovsky's version. In that sense, I look at Soderbergh's Solaris as a remake not as a new adaptation of the book. But, given that his films are typically as visually interesting as a blackboard, Soderbergh's Solaris is a pale imitation of Tarkovsky's.
"comparatively successful" - Pretty much a way of saying that both film adaptations were equally successful with critics, being that they weren't in the slightest. I know it's only one critic but Roger Ebert had this to say about them...
(BE) It's not merely bad; it's unpleasant in a hostile way
(Dune) This movie is a real mess, an incomprehensible, ugly, unstructured, pointless excursion into the murkier realms of one of the most confusing screenplays of all time.
I think it's fair to say that both films were greeted less than warmly by the critics.
Finally, running time (for Bradavon) - from what I gathered, the Alan Smithee cut of Dune is 190 minutes but what's on here is a 177 minute edit of that.
...and I think that's it.
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Originally Posted by bradavon:
I've not yet seen Dune (I've been planning to for sometime) but exactly it's a David Lynch film, what do people expect?
Bar The Straight Story all his films are confusing and the better for it.
TBH Elephant Man and Straight Story are my favourite Lynch films (followed by in the order of best to worst Blue Velvet, Mulholland Drv. Wild at Heart and Eraserhead - I've yet to see Lost Highway and TP:FWWM).
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Originally Posted by visa_geeza:
I got my copy of this from PLAY and yes, it was riddled with errors on both sides. Playback would freeze up at certain points then skip a chapter. Both versions were unplayable. Fortunately PLAY were happy to replace it so now I'm waiting for my new copy to turn up.
My new copy turned up yesterday and I checked it.
Side 1 (Theatrical) seems to be fine. However Side 2 (Extended Edition) again seems to have errors.
I'm in two minds of what to do now, as to be honest I'm a bit fed up with this. I get the feeling I could return it again but would keep getting discs with errors back.
This is obviously a highly unreliable disc.
Being as side 1 is fine and that side has all the extras I'm considering just keeping it.
(I do have an older Pioneer 515 player which I think may play it OK, although I've not tried it yet. My Philips & Sony recorders both lock with it and my PC doesn't like it either. Sometimes the older players can be a bit more robust and just play through any errors. My Pioneer hasn't given me any problems with other DVD18s as yet.)
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It's a bit of a stretch to suggest that L. Ron Hubbard's novel of Battlefield Earth was "comparatively successful" with critics. A lot of a stretch - it was derided by pretty much every critic who wasn't a card-carrying Scientologist.
I've read Battlefield Earth, and many other L. Ron Hubbard novels: the Travolta film doesn't bear too much relation to the novel, and only adapts the first half or so - in the novel the Psychlos are actually finally defeated and Earth returned to the human race after a long-winded intergalactic court case.
Also, Hubbard at least manages to makes things seem vaguely
"plausible" in the novel, unlike the film's slipshod approach to plot and character (there are no cavemen flying jets, for example). That said, to compare it to Dune is rather mystifying.
As I recall, the novel of Battlefield Earth is actually reasonably well regarded, at least by fans (and authors) of similarly two-fisted, pulpy SF. It's regularly in SF Top 100 lists (at least, lists voted for by readers and not critics).
All of which sounds like I'm a Hubbard apologist, which I'm not, but it's not an awful novel by any means... to wax heretical, it has the feel of early Heinlein. Well, if Heinlein had taken stupid pills that morning.
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To compare this to, or even mention it in the same breath as, Frank Herbert's DUNE is an insult of the highest order.
Back to the topic in hand...
I have the HD DVD of DUNE (theatrical) as a part of my collection, I have had it taped off C4 many years ago (because they played it at 2.35:1 and in NICAM stereo), I bougt it on Pre-rec VHS when it became available, then DVD (I missed the Laser Disc phase unfortunately : [ ) then the 2 disk R2 DVD, now the HD.
There is just something about the film. It is not brilliant by any stretch. The scenes which are added...well it is questionable as to whether they add anything or not - aside from overall running time.
One of DUNE's biggest problems is that in many places it sticks too rigidly to the book, with sometimes whole sections of dialogue lifted directly from the pages, (then again he also went totally mad as demonstrated by telepathy and super-sound guns). That and the running time of 2 1/4 hours in which the story is expected to be told.
You would thnk that the extended version would address this issue. More runnig time....better explanation of a deep story, right? Wrong. I can really understand why Lynch removed himself from this version because the truth to it is obvious. The film that he made, was the film that he set out to make, it was how he tried to tell the story. That is why the extended scenes did not really add anything, there was no such actual filmed material to add that would make a real difference. They were not there to add because he did not film them. The great scenes of extra exposition which would make people think " Aha! That's why these people are doing that" could not be added because it was never there to add in the first place. That is why the 'added' scenes are usually just extended versions of pre-existing scenes and so really add nothing.
The TV mini-series though, they were a much better format for telling the story and found that they both do it very well. CHILDREN OF DUINE is rather more cramped as it is actually an adaptation of two books (CHILDREN OF... and ...MESSIAH). Yes, in some places the set look a bit...settish. On occasion the backdrop does look backdropy, I quite agree. But come on, BLAKE'S 7 was the same and people loved it - including me! - so a certain amount of leeway needs to be given.
I hold the movie and the two TV series as equal in value and overall faithfulness to the story.
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Ignorance personified.