Disc Specs
- Region:
2 - Released:
19th September 2005 - Country:
United Kingdom - Running Time:
149 minutes - Screen Format:
1.78:1 Anamorphic PAL - Discs / Sides / Layers:
2 / 1 / Dual - Soundtracks:
German DD5.1
German DTS - Subtitles:
English HOH (optional) - Special Features:
# 'The Making of Downfall' Documentary (56 mins)
# 'Shooting in Russia' Featurette (18 mins)
# Interview with Author Melissa Müller (8 mins)
# Interviews with Actors Bruno Ganz, Alexandra Maria Lara, Corinna Harfouch, Ulrich Matthes, Juliane Köhler, Heino Ferch, Ulrich Noethen, Thomas Kretschmann and Thomas Thieme
# Interviews With Writer/Producer Bernd Eichinger, Author Joachim Fest and Director Oliver Hirshbiegel
# B-Roll Footage (13 mins)
# Character Biographies
# Crew Biographies
# Cast Filmographies - Distributor:
Momentum
Downfall
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Downfall is bookended by excerpts from Blind Spot, André Heller’s 2002 documentary on Traudl Junge, the woman who served as Hitler’s secretary from 1942 until his death. A critically acclaimed piece, it was able to secure widespread international distribution (unheard of for an Austrian documentary; it was released by Columbia in the UK), a situation that perhaps aided Downfall’s existence. For whilst representations of Hitler on stage and screen have never been particularly rare – recent years having seen Max, the TV miniseries Hitler: The Rise of Evil, and Mel Brooks’ The Producers being revived on Broadway – fictional portrayals from Germany certainly are. (There have, of course, been a handful of titles, as well as Hans-Jurgen Syberberg’s epic documentaries.) As such Downfall, directed by Oliver Hirschbiegel, hitherto best known for Das Experiment, arrives not only as an unavoidably major work, but also one which shoulders a huge weight of expectation.
As the title suggests, this is a work which follows Hitler towards the end of his life, specifically from his 56th birthday until his eventual suicide. It’s an interesting approach as, much like those pieces which follow his early years, it allows for an influx of some humanity. By this point in his life he is weak, vulnerable, clearly ill and planning his own death, as opposed to the figure familiar from Leni Riefenstahl’s documentaries. Indeed, it’s a mark of Bruno Ganz’s talent (at last given a weighty role following the cameo limbo of Luther and The Manchurian Candidate which he’s recently been stuck in) in bringing him to the screen that he is able to capture a multitude of paradoxes. He remains an egotistical and undoubtedly cold blooded figure, yet we are also able to see – and importantly believe – a truly heartfelt kiss to Eva Braun, a clear love for his dog Blondi (though this is given less screen time than in Alexander Sokurov’s Moloch) and a man reduced to getting married in a cramped, monochrome locker room. Perhaps the key moments come when we see his Parkinson’s disease affected left hand twitch uncontrollably behind his back – in other words Hirschbiegel is showing us those elements not registered in the public façade or popular perception.
More importantly, however, Hirschbiegel doesn’t dwell on Hitler too much; indeed, he isn’t even the sole focus. Perhaps owing to its status as the first major German work to portray him from a dramatic standpoint, Downfall is as much a film about Germany, or rather wartime Germany itself. Certainly, our way into the narrative isn’t through Hitler himself, but the youthful figure of Junge. As well as the Blind Spot excerpt we also open with an earlier scene, from 1942, in which she is first given the job for which she will always be remembered. It’s as though Hirschbiegel needed a genuine, truly believable character with which to gain our acceptance – and Blind Spot has allowed for this. And yet, much like Errol Morris’ The Fog of War, Heller’s documentary was an ambiguous piece and certainly didn’t offer Junge in a completely favourable light (though it must be noted that the film contained no other presence but Junge’s and no other voice but her own, though of course Heller’s editorial control cannot be underestimated or ignored).
Likewise Hirschbiegel doesn’t scrimp or spare us from the harsher details or present clean-cut portrayals of his various historical figures. Indeed, in this respect Downfall can be a difficult piece to watch; the horror of war is abundantly clear as its bleakness. Futility infuses the entire picture – this is not a place where any of the smiles are real – especially as it cross-cuts between the scenes in the bunker and above ground as the Russians draw ever nearer and the war effort is seemingly made up primarily of children as young as 12 and old men who no longer wish to fight. Importantly, however, it is this range which allows Downfall a dynamism which its subject matter perhaps wouldn’t suggest. Indeed, it is after all not a film all that removed from Hirschbiegel’s previous feature, the flashy Das Experiment.
Yet for this breadth, it is also important that Downfall shouldn’t be considered an epic. It doesn’t recall the war movie of popular imagination nor does it share its ‘scope photography (the small-scale dramas would no doubt appear swamped in the wider frame). Of course, certain cinematic recollections are produced (personally I find that any recreation of Nazi Germany immediately sparks memories of the decadence of The Night Porter or Visconti’s The Damned) and the film does have the budget to have produced such a film if it so wished – the period detail is unsurprisingly wonderful – but it’s far more remote than that. Certainly, Downfall is an incredibly rich piece of filmmaking and, as said, an undoubtedly major work, but it’s the details which linger and make it so astonishing.
Disc One
Downfall’s first disc is devoted entirely to the film itself and houses two soundtrack options, a Dolby Digital 5.1 mix or the choice of DTS. Whilst the film makes full use of the various channels (constant artillery rumbles, explosions and the like), there is in fact little to separate the two. Certainly, when it comes down to the dialogue scenes, any differences between the two become barely discernible. As such, those without DTS capability have nothing to worry about, and it is likely that the soundtrack option you go for will be down to personal predilection than any kind of technical one-upmanship.
In terms of its visual presentation, Downfall is equally impressive if not quite perfect. The image throughout is often extremely dark given the grey/black colour schemes, yet the disc handles this extremely well and without any overt difficulties. Artefacting is present on occasion, but never at a level which could be considered too distracting. Moreover, we also get the film presented anamorphically and with optional English subtitles, though it should be noted that these are of the hard of hearing variety and thus the screen is plagued by phrases such as “[Screams of pain]” and like throughout.
Disc Two
The second disc houses all of the special features, a fine collection which amount to the following:
The Making of Downfall
At 56 minutes, this piece is weightier than your standard ‘making of’, but doesn’t in fact stray too far from the norm. Indeed, its execution is decidedly simply as it combines B-roll footage with interviews from the cast and crew. Understandably, the emphasis is on the potential controversy of such a subject and the film’s authenticity, and as such has no problems in maintaining our interest over the duration.
Interview with Melissa Müller
Müller was the editor Until the Final Hour: Hitler’s Secretary, Traudl Junge’s memoir. As such this eight-minute interview spends much of its time discussing the events which led to her meetings with Junge and how this lead not only to the book, but also the film. [Please note that unlike on the other special features, the English subtitles here are non-optional.]
Interactive Map
This piece takes us inside the bunker and allows us peruse various set photographs and jump to excerpts from relevant scenes.
Interviews
Though of varying lengths, the average duration for each individual interview is roughly two minutes. In this respect they never truly progress from offering soundbites (plus there’s some crossover with the interviews contained in the main documentary), though the sheer number of those spoken to does allow for a certain depth.
Historical Characters and their Actors
This piece offers two to three pages worth of biographies for the former and select filmographies for the latter.
Biographies
As with the previous piece, here we get brief bios for Hirschbiegel, writer/producer Bernd Eichinger and author Joachim Hest.
Shooting Downfall
Two pieces in fact, the first being ‘Shooting in Russia’ in which executive producer Christine Rothe and production designer Bernd Lapel spend 18 minutes discussing the filming of Downfall, and the second a 13 minute piece in which Hirschbiegel commentates over B-roll footage. The latter is particularly nice as it's one of those rare occasions where we get to see the B-roll material given some kind of context, but as with a number of these pieces, it does cover some similar ground to that featured in the main documentary. Indeed, those picking up this disc are advised to go for the documentary first and then decide upon the further material.
As the title suggests, this is a work which follows Hitler towards the end of his life, specifically from his 56th birthday until his eventual suicide. It’s an interesting approach as, much like those pieces which follow his early years, it allows for an influx of some humanity. By this point in his life he is weak, vulnerable, clearly ill and planning his own death, as opposed to the figure familiar from Leni Riefenstahl’s documentaries. Indeed, it’s a mark of Bruno Ganz’s talent (at last given a weighty role following the cameo limbo of Luther and The Manchurian Candidate which he’s recently been stuck in) in bringing him to the screen that he is able to capture a multitude of paradoxes. He remains an egotistical and undoubtedly cold blooded figure, yet we are also able to see – and importantly believe – a truly heartfelt kiss to Eva Braun, a clear love for his dog Blondi (though this is given less screen time than in Alexander Sokurov’s Moloch) and a man reduced to getting married in a cramped, monochrome locker room. Perhaps the key moments come when we see his Parkinson’s disease affected left hand twitch uncontrollably behind his back – in other words Hirschbiegel is showing us those elements not registered in the public façade or popular perception.
More importantly, however, Hirschbiegel doesn’t dwell on Hitler too much; indeed, he isn’t even the sole focus. Perhaps owing to its status as the first major German work to portray him from a dramatic standpoint, Downfall is as much a film about Germany, or rather wartime Germany itself. Certainly, our way into the narrative isn’t through Hitler himself, but the youthful figure of Junge. As well as the Blind Spot excerpt we also open with an earlier scene, from 1942, in which she is first given the job for which she will always be remembered. It’s as though Hirschbiegel needed a genuine, truly believable character with which to gain our acceptance – and Blind Spot has allowed for this. And yet, much like Errol Morris’ The Fog of War, Heller’s documentary was an ambiguous piece and certainly didn’t offer Junge in a completely favourable light (though it must be noted that the film contained no other presence but Junge’s and no other voice but her own, though of course Heller’s editorial control cannot be underestimated or ignored).
Likewise Hirschbiegel doesn’t scrimp or spare us from the harsher details or present clean-cut portrayals of his various historical figures. Indeed, in this respect Downfall can be a difficult piece to watch; the horror of war is abundantly clear as its bleakness. Futility infuses the entire picture – this is not a place where any of the smiles are real – especially as it cross-cuts between the scenes in the bunker and above ground as the Russians draw ever nearer and the war effort is seemingly made up primarily of children as young as 12 and old men who no longer wish to fight. Importantly, however, it is this range which allows Downfall a dynamism which its subject matter perhaps wouldn’t suggest. Indeed, it is after all not a film all that removed from Hirschbiegel’s previous feature, the flashy Das Experiment.
Yet for this breadth, it is also important that Downfall shouldn’t be considered an epic. It doesn’t recall the war movie of popular imagination nor does it share its ‘scope photography (the small-scale dramas would no doubt appear swamped in the wider frame). Of course, certain cinematic recollections are produced (personally I find that any recreation of Nazi Germany immediately sparks memories of the decadence of The Night Porter or Visconti’s The Damned) and the film does have the budget to have produced such a film if it so wished – the period detail is unsurprisingly wonderful – but it’s far more remote than that. Certainly, Downfall is an incredibly rich piece of filmmaking and, as said, an undoubtedly major work, but it’s the details which linger and make it so astonishing.
Disc One
Downfall’s first disc is devoted entirely to the film itself and houses two soundtrack options, a Dolby Digital 5.1 mix or the choice of DTS. Whilst the film makes full use of the various channels (constant artillery rumbles, explosions and the like), there is in fact little to separate the two. Certainly, when it comes down to the dialogue scenes, any differences between the two become barely discernible. As such, those without DTS capability have nothing to worry about, and it is likely that the soundtrack option you go for will be down to personal predilection than any kind of technical one-upmanship.
In terms of its visual presentation, Downfall is equally impressive if not quite perfect. The image throughout is often extremely dark given the grey/black colour schemes, yet the disc handles this extremely well and without any overt difficulties. Artefacting is present on occasion, but never at a level which could be considered too distracting. Moreover, we also get the film presented anamorphically and with optional English subtitles, though it should be noted that these are of the hard of hearing variety and thus the screen is plagued by phrases such as “[Screams of pain]” and like throughout.
Disc Two
The second disc houses all of the special features, a fine collection which amount to the following:
The Making of Downfall
At 56 minutes, this piece is weightier than your standard ‘making of’, but doesn’t in fact stray too far from the norm. Indeed, its execution is decidedly simply as it combines B-roll footage with interviews from the cast and crew. Understandably, the emphasis is on the potential controversy of such a subject and the film’s authenticity, and as such has no problems in maintaining our interest over the duration.
Interview with Melissa Müller
Müller was the editor Until the Final Hour: Hitler’s Secretary, Traudl Junge’s memoir. As such this eight-minute interview spends much of its time discussing the events which led to her meetings with Junge and how this lead not only to the book, but also the film. [Please note that unlike on the other special features, the English subtitles here are non-optional.]
Interactive Map
This piece takes us inside the bunker and allows us peruse various set photographs and jump to excerpts from relevant scenes.
Interviews
Though of varying lengths, the average duration for each individual interview is roughly two minutes. In this respect they never truly progress from offering soundbites (plus there’s some crossover with the interviews contained in the main documentary), though the sheer number of those spoken to does allow for a certain depth.
Historical Characters and their Actors
This piece offers two to three pages worth of biographies for the former and select filmographies for the latter.
Biographies
As with the previous piece, here we get brief bios for Hirschbiegel, writer/producer Bernd Eichinger and author Joachim Hest.
Shooting Downfall
Two pieces in fact, the first being ‘Shooting in Russia’ in which executive producer Christine Rothe and production designer Bernd Lapel spend 18 minutes discussing the filming of Downfall, and the second a 13 minute piece in which Hirschbiegel commentates over B-roll footage. The latter is particularly nice as it's one of those rare occasions where we get to see the B-roll material given some kind of context, but as with a number of these pieces, it does cover some similar ground to that featured in the main documentary. Indeed, those picking up this disc are advised to go for the documentary first and then decide upon the further material.



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EDIT: Just doing the Rewind comparison - the production featurettes are only 10mins each? The BBFC says they are longer (18mins and 30mins respectively), so this is sad news if Momentum have hacked them down :(
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Not even as good as some of the documented books on the subject i.e. 'Hitler' by Ian Kershaw.
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And, I don't understand why you give the film considerable praise yet award it an 8/10. Where do you think 'Downfall' went wrong? But I do agree the audio is very good.
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Riefenstahl fled Germany early on, and didn't get to see the Hitler of 'Downfall'.
Riefenstahl never fled Germany and the last time she met Hitler was in 1944 on the Berghof.
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Not even as good as some of the documented books on the subject i.e. 'Hitler' by Ian Kershaw.
The movie is based on two books: Joachim Fest's "Der Untergang" and Traudl Junge's "Bis Zur Letzten Stunde". Fest's book deals with the last weeks of the war in Berlin. Traudl Junge's book is her account of her life as one of Hitler's private secretaries (he had several private and military secretaries). The film follows Fest's book fairly closely and intermingles it with observations from Traudl Junge's book which in the film are told from her perspective. The film does take some liberties (some people are almost portrayed as saints while in reality they were scum) but overall it is a very good portrayal of Hitler's last ten days and the downfall of Berlin and its people.
NB. Fest is one of the most respected biographers of Hitler and having read both his and Kershaw's biographies I must say that I liked Fest's much better.
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What HOH English subs :mad: :mad: :mad: . It looks like I'm getting the R1 Canadian then. I don't mind HOH subs per say but they can be very off putting. There is no reason both couldn't be included.
The USA R1 has burnt in English subs but the Canadian R1 does not. I've managed to find a review (I hope Anthony doesn't mind me posting it?) which details:
* The director's commentary
* English or French subs
* A second disc of extras which look similar to those here
* Possibly from a PAL source, although the reviewer loses some credibility IMO for commenting that "Artificial Eye" don't create very good looking DVDs, which is anything but true.
Anyway here is the review:
http://www.dvdcollectorshaven.ca/DVD_Review.aspx?d=115207&u=1
It's a pity DTS isn't featured but overall it looks like the way to go. HOH subs would only really annoy me.
That said the Canadian R1 rear cover art says:
English SDH or Français :(
It played out mostly like a Danielle Steel novel.
Fair enough but :eek: :confused:
And, I don't understand why you give the film considerable praise yet award it an 8/10. Where do you think 'Downfall' went wrong? But I do agree the audio is very good.
8/10 is a very good rating. You can't give all films 10/10.
Just because Anthony doesn't give it 10/10 it doesn't mean he thinks anything went wrong.
As for me I really hope the 3 hour cut gets English subs!
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'It's an epic meditation on intangibility'
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What is the difference between 'hard of hearing' and normal subtitles
They might say like,
Hitler: I'm the man.
Himmler: You're the man.
instead of just,
I'm the man.
- You're the man.
and then there's
[Whistling]
[Bombings]
[Music]
Basically the subs say what's going on in the audio department.
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When he says "the image doesn't look as strong as suggested by other review sites for the American release" it might just be that he hasn't seen the film theatrically and wasn't expecting the dark, grainy look. Doesn't necessarily mean the transfer itself is bad. But then:
It's interesting that he used Irreversible as an example of Alliance's nefarious practices, because that is indeed a PAL/NTSC conversion and the English subs are HoH only. Alliance seem to like to play games with their English-speaking customers! The Downfall DVD's 155 min running time (if correct) suggests it's not a standards conversion, but it's worrying that he says ghosting is "only occasionally noticeable" - it shouldn't be there at all!
I'm still probably going to get the UK R2 for the DTS and complete extras (the HoH subs are annoying, but I can live with them) and the US R1 for the commentary (I don't mind the fixed subs, in fact they look rather good, the same as the theatrical print). It's only money after all...
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Thanks for the link to the Canadian DVD review Bradavon. Unfortunately it raises more questions than it answers!
Yeah I know. After thinking about it I'm going to avoid the Canadian R1.
The subtitles are also HOH & according to that review messy, it has a possibly dodgy picture and then there's that cover art. It's not worth it just for the commentary.
It's down to the US R1 for the proper subs and commentary but the subs are burnt in and it's extras are otherwise very limited OR the UK R2 for the DTS and a second disc of extras BUT the subs are HOH.
I don't mind the burnt in subs either. They only bother me if they're badly done and/or are for a language I may learn one day (namely French or Spanish).
I think I'll still get the UK R2 for the overall better DVD. I'm not to bothered about the commentary but HOH subs :( .
I don't want to own two DVDs. I'll have to live with the HOH subs; I've done it before (My Sassy Girl).
Thanks for the info on "Irreversible", I may have to get the USA R1 or R4 on that one. I was going to get the Canadian R1 but the extras on "Irreversible" aren't that extensive anyway, unlike "Downfall".
What is the difference between 'hard of hearing' and normal subtitles.
Basically they add extra subtitles for sound effects and/or who's speaking so people who are hard of hearing can follow the film.
This is fine and a good thing but for those who don't need the extra information it's annoying to say the least.
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I did the review for DVDTALK and would like to point out the following-
the R1 has an EXCELLENT commentary that is only available on the R1-US disc. The subs may be burnt-in but other than that it is a very well-made disc. Last but not least the 5.1 track is superbly mastered. All in all...considering that R1-Canada is obviously a PAL port...the lesser evil is surely the R1-US disc.
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OK, so you won't get much out of the extras, but what's more important, the presentation of the film or the extras? ;)